Dan Porter, you make it seem as if I have confused one Geoffrey with another “completely different person, perhaps related, perhaps not” . What complete poppycock, Dan Porter.
I have to say that for some time this has become a routine tactic of yours, which is to portray me as some kind of dim-witted innocent abroad in your suave sophisticated land of Shroudology. (Well, it’s foreign alright, but I’m fast finding may way around, and finding the STURP tourist guide book is inaccurate in a whole number of respects).
(Re that wiki link to STURP: it ends with “STURP ended its activities in 1981”. Ho,ho. If you believe that, you will believe anything, especially if you look at the participants in the Valencia Shroud shindig – starting this coming Saturday, just the latest in the never-ending Shroudology circus)
No, I did not confuse the two Geoffreys. In fact I went to some trouble right at the start to distinguish between the two, calling them Geoffroi Sr and Geoffroi Jr. What’s more, I identified them as uncle and nephew respectively. That was based on the work of Noel Currer-Briggs, a big name here in the UK in genealogy and author of many books, the “Shroud and the Grail” included until his recent death in 2004.
What’s more, Geoffrey Sr., the uncle, did not just “die” in 1314 – he was hideously and slowly grilled at the stake from the feet upwards along with Jacques de Molay, last Grand Master of the Knights Templar and other Templars charged by Philp IV of France as being heretics ( conveniently wiping out the debts he had accrued with them).
It was that link between the nephew on the one hand and martyred uncle on the other that formed the basis of my post, the details of which you have chosen to ignore completely in your desire to scoff at my research on your increasingly dubious site .
But it is not just your site, is it Dan? You are the mouthpiece for something much bigger. But what? Why the coyness, Dan? Who are your backers who together have the resources to respond to criticism with lightning speed? I doubt if there was more than an hour between my post being read this morning (yes, WordPress give me a site meter too) to be followed a few hours later with your magisterial put-down.
Anything else you write on that highly partisan pro-authenticity site of you and your associates that warrants attention will be answered here, Dan, and nowhere else … I was on the point of doing that anyway, given your vetting of my comments before allowing them to appear (while giving carte blanche to the likes of the Frenchman to engage in mudslinging and abuse).
Might I suggest that you re-read my previous post, and then comment on the key issues I have raised, like the significance of the chain around the waist, like the finding of that Pilgrim’s Badge (no, not a medal, but a badge) in the Seine so close to the site of de Molay’s and Geoffroi de Charney’s slow torture and final execution. I repeat once more for the slow of comprehension, or more likely the spin doctor(s) of Shroudology – that’s de Charney, the uncle note, not de Charny, the nephew. It was the uncle who was the martyr. It was the nephew who commissioned the Badge, and for all we know the Shroud too – a scorched image serving as a visual and arresting metaphor for a then relatively recent and traumatic event in French history, one that culminated with his uncle being grilled alive from the feet up. But it was cleverly done, combining elements of the uncle’s fate with that of the crucified Christ, gradually morphing into the latter alone.
That’s why we are still discussing and debating today – or trying to – given the strange, haunting and powerful imagery based on a convulsive period in French history. But you, Dan, or rather that site of yours, do not make it easy on us honest seekers after truth, ones with no personal axe to grind – just fascination with a still unsolved mystery along with an enquiring mind as befits those with a background in research. Nope, I admitted that I am not a historian, nor do I have ambitions to become one. My post was focused on a physical artefact with an extraordinary amount detail that has survived centuries of Seine water (as lead/tin alloys do), and one that has been largely and strangely ignored by Shroudologists, judging by the paucity of returns in search engines.
I am interested (and curious) to know why at least two of your site regulars have apparently from their comments not encountered the Badge previously, or appreciated its historical and cultural significance. Maybe you did not either Dan, at least until reading my post this morning, and then responded as is your wont by swinging into fire-fighting mode…
Colin Berry MSc, PhD
Previously Head of Nutrition and Food Safety at the Flour Milling and Baking Research Association, Chorleywood, Herts, UK